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Post by whcgt on Nov 26, 2011 5:54:40 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 27, 2011 22:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by kitcarguy on Nov 29, 2011 8:25:40 GMT -5
Give me that 914 any day. One of those cars I really wish I still had.
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Post by jspbtown on Nov 29, 2011 9:29:20 GMT -5
You can't "remove the body" from a 914. As you stated it is a unibody. You can remove the front fenders, but just about anything else you will need to have to cut off, and therefore significantly weaken the structure. You will then have to significantly modify the frame structure to strengthen it for what you have removed.
So a plan to use a 914 platform would require significant mods to the 914 and the Invader. Not really worth it since the 914 engibe can be mounted to a VW pan.
And if you went Subie or Rotary where have you engineered the cooling system to be placed?
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 13:53:28 GMT -5
Photos of the actual 914, I am thinking about getting. It is a 1973 2.0 litre. It is in a salvage yard, it is in complete, decent shape. The salvage yard owner, will allow me to make 3 payments on the car, the price is $1000. I can pay this total over a 3 month period. This is a very lucky 914, as it was on the verge of being crushed, so I think I will save it. It needs a good cleaning & new tires put on the Panasport 15" x 7" 8 spoke wheels. It will need all fluids changed, brakes checked, fuel tank flushed out, carbs cleaned, tune up...then it should be up & running. It is titled, I can drive it around while I work on the Invader GT body.
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 13:59:47 GMT -5
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Post by jspbtown on Nov 29, 2011 14:20:11 GMT -5
Looks like alot of filler on that hood. Are you sure it wasn't wrecked? If all it needs is a tune up and some fluid flushes then why is it in a bone yard?
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 14:25:59 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 14:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 14:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 14:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 14:46:17 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 14:48:07 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 14:56:50 GMT -5
Oh yes, much work & effort & care required..with project cars. Sometimes you just have to jump in there & try.  I don't ask questions as to why the 914 is in the salvage yard..I know Missoula is very strict with cars that sit on the street. Don't know the reason why it wound up there...for a complete & decent 914...it's worth getting. Lots of work, sure...I am not adverse to hard work. |
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 15:17:06 GMT -5
Yeah, very thick body filler & primer on certain areas of the car. Get a putty knife...chip it off..sand the area..primer it & rattle can paint the areas needed. Then drive the car around...what the hey. All the while continuing to work on & prepare the Invader GT, no worries.
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 15:29:43 GMT -5
Make my first payment of $250 on the 3rd of December...make my 2nd payment of $350 on the 3rd of January...make my 3rd payment of $400 on the 3rd of February. Then pay $50 to $100 to have it towed to a storage yard or indoor storage unit. Then, save up for some tires & other necessary parts for the car. Take my sweet ass time & enjoy the project 914 Invader GT, as I create it & engineer it into a great car. A fun project, that I will enjoy building.
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Post by jspbtown on Nov 29, 2011 15:33:35 GMT -5
Not only hard work, but engineering as well. Hopefully you have some background in design so you can build the appropriate subframe for the Porsche. Would hate to see it fold up on you.
Oh...one other question whcgt...I notice in your picture the front wheels seem to be offset in the wheel wells. Will you correct that as well when you mate the body to the 914? If so it might be more than just the couple of inches you initially thought.
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 15:40:34 GMT -5
Plenty of metal fabrication shops & mobile welding companies here in missoula...for anything I need strengthened & created. What I can't do, someone can. Here are some pics of a spare Invader GT body that I can get for $300, if I want to. It does come with the half doors & the engine cover. Of course, I will fiberglass in the half doors..as with my current Invader GT(see my depictions of what I will be doing).
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 15:41:52 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 15:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 15:48:50 GMT -5
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 15:57:45 GMT -5
Not only hard work, but engineering as well. Hopefully you have some background in design so you can build the appropriate subframe for the Porsche. Would hate to see it fold up on you. Oh...one other question whcgt...I notice in your picture the front wheels seem to be offset in the wheel wells. Will you correct that as well when you mate the body to the 914? If so it might be more than just the couple of inches you initially thought. Great eye, It is indeed a chassis that sucks, that my Invader GT is currently riding on. It is a 1956 chassis, that must have been damaged & not repaired..then the Invader GT body was put on this piss poor chassis by the original builder. I have cursed alot, when working on this car, it is incredibly difficult to drive this car on the chassis that it is on. The original builder of my particular Invader GT...has almost brought me to tears...with the lack of attention to detail & mechanical problems he put together. But I am slowly solving these issues & bringing back my Invader GT, to a condition I can be proud of. |
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Post by jspbtown on Nov 29, 2011 15:57:56 GMT -5
So you cut the windshield off? Cut the rear targo loop off too? Cut off the rear fenders? Trash the doors too I assume? Then do you bond the body to the remaining platform and then strengthen?
Or do you strengthen first so that the body doesn't get tweaked when you cut away all the structure.
Do you use the 914 dash set up of the Invader dash? What about the firewall? The 914 firewall and cut of the Invaders or use the invaders and cut out the 914 (with proper strengthening I assume?)?
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 16:10:41 GMT -5
So you cut the windshield off? Cut the rear targo loop off too? Cut off the rear fenders? Trash the doors too I assume? Then do you bond the body to the remaining platform and then strengthen? Or do you strengthen first so that the body doesn't get tweaked when you cut away all the structure. Do you use the 914 dash set up of the Invader dash? What about the firewall? The 914 firewall and cut of the Invaders or use the invaders and cut out the 914 (with proper strengthening I assume?)? No, no, no, no, no. The Invader GT is cut at the lime green line...that I have drawn in the 2nd reply to this topic. Add 2 inches there. The bulkheads are made of wood that is covered in fiberglass & glassed in. They can be cut out very easily & new bulkheads created. After cutting the body into 2 pieces(at the green line shown), feather back the fiberglass 6" front & backside of both body pieces. Then c-clamp into place sheetmetal between the body halves...with the necessary 2" gap...to get the correct wheelbase of the Porsche 914. Then fiberglass the sheetmetal & body halves together. Let the catylist cook off, heat up & cure. Then build up the fiberglass on the inside & outside of the body, then apply a gelcoat to the outside of the body. Create new bulkheads & position them in the necessary locations & proceed with the 914 conversion. Take time & care all along the way. The Porsche 914 guages can be placed into my current Invader GT dash after I glass in the exsisting holes & crate new holes for the 914 guages. VW karman Ghia windshield is used on all Invader GT models...no cutting there or modifing.. |
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Post by jspbtown on Nov 29, 2011 16:28:58 GMT -5
So you have two windshields or at least 2 windshield frames? And the upper rear targa support on the 914 is just molded into the rear pillar on the Invader? they are that close in angle?
I know how to modify the fiberglass body...thats easy. I am talking about mating the 914 to the Invader body.
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 16:40:44 GMT -5
There is virtually nothing left of the Porsche 914...just the pan,suspension,powertrain. Strengthened & kept true...the whole time...during the dismantling. Modify the Invader GT body flange & bulheads according to what matches the Porsche 914 chassis. Front & rear track is perfect between a Porsche 914 & the Invader GT body. Just have to lengthen the Invader GT body 2" inches at the green line I have shown in topic reply 2. Only 1 cut is made to the Invader GT body..that is all. Using the windshield frame that is incoorperated into the Invader GT one piece body. This is not difficult to do this conversion...it is time consuming & care must be taken.
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 16:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by jspbtown on Nov 29, 2011 16:56:27 GMT -5
Thats your problem...there is no pan. None. Nothing that even resembles that of a Beetle.
The shocks mount to the inner body panels. Panels that you plan to cut away. Where will you mount your shocks? The suspension mounting points gain some of their strengths from the panels which you plan to cut away (windshield frame, rear targa mount, front inner fenders, rear inner panels, front and rear bulkheads).
When you cut all that away you have nothing left to support the engine, transmission or suspension other then some unsupported flimsy sheetmetal..
You really should research this before you piss away any more money.
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 17:08:57 GMT -5
What is structural will remain, what is structural that must be modified will be reinforced. This is & has been done with many Porsche 914 platfoms. Both private & even General motors...have used the Porsche 914 platform...for the very thing that I am doing. If you have a question, you may call me at (406) 926-1201. I will be happy to answer any & all questions that you may have regarding my Invader GT/Porsche 914 project.
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Post by whcgt on Nov 29, 2011 17:27:03 GMT -5
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The green line...is the only place to cut an Invader GT body. The Invader GT body must be cut, in order to add 2 inches to the wheelbase. The wheelbase difference between a type 1 VW chassis & a Porsche 914 chassis is: 94.5"(VW) & 96.4"(Porsche 914). Of course, the Porsche 914 is of unibody construction..& care must be taken, when removing the body. The Invader GT, does not have a jump seat area, the firewall is located at the rear flange of the standard type 1 VW chassis. So many options & advantages, with going with a Porsche 914 chassis. Whether it is a V8 conversion or Subaru WRX conversion from Renegade engineering...or rotory or Porsche 6 or stock powertrain. Around 300lbs. to 400lbs. less than a stock Porsche 914 & much better aerodynamics. The Porsche 914 is already a light & nimble machine, with much racing history...a very nice platform to consider for my Invader GT project. 
I don't ask questions as to why the 914 is in the salvage yard..I know Missoula is very strict with cars that sit on the street. Don't know the reason why it wound up there...for a complete & decent 914...it's worth getting. Lots of work, sure...I am not adverse to hard work.
